What’s left of the check-in space now that Facebook Places launched?

August 20th, 2010 | Leave a comment

The game has changed obviously…but, it’s certainly not over.

Facebook is becoming what Microsoft used to be back in the 90s…essential to everyone, impossible to beat and feeling a bit like the platform bully.

They are smart to leverage what they have to the hilt. It’s just good business and I would have done the same, but like Microsoft, they will lose  (if they have not already) the passion and commitment of those who have no choice but to use their platform, which today is everyone.  This is starting to sound like Windows to me.

You can’t beat Facebook at their game…but you can build great companies that can win around them. Anyone in the gaming or multimedia or peripheral add-on space in the 90s will tell you the same. I have personal scars from this and am a veteran of the birth of coopetition.

The announcement (I watched the livestream on Facebook) was like a webcam in a frat house. Nonetheless, Facebook Places will certainly be a monster product and hugely successful based on the massive leverage of of the platform obviously. Their reach and numbers are poetic in their size.

And yes, I’m a power Facebook user, a fan, consult on how to best use fan pages to my clients… and am excited about Places even though underwhelmed by their lack of originality. I’ll certainly use it because the Facebook platform is core to how I live, but I’m still checking in on Foursquare for now.

I’m just a big believer in the check-in space and rooting for the underdog today. I believe in people who are inventive and I think the Foursquare guys are… and with spunk, smarts and yes, a good chunk of luck can potentially carve out something that makes sense, has value to the users and the merchants.

What’s the answer? I’m not certain but here’s Foursquare’s response in SAI today. We do need more of a answer from them though.

I like the intersection of the check-in and coupon space a lot. That’s where I’m looking for the next great explosion on the streets with check-in. I’m searching for apps that are at the intersection of these because I believe that the social commerce component is key…as it creates an open market and value potentially for user and businesses alike.

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Postscript thought

I’m starting to think that Om Malik may have it right that Facebook is after the local merchants and Yelp. His post is here. Thanks to @PS 98 for surfacing this.

Even though I still believe that the check-in space is embryonic, and even if Facebook’s focus is Yelp, the swishing of the giant’s tail still makes it a difficult place for Foursquare and the other players.

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  • http://richstaats.com/ Rich Staats

    I want to believe that Facebook Places is the best thing to happen to Foursquare. For a moment there, everyone else in the geo location, “check-in” space was left in the dust. For a moment, foursquare had won. But I think that once you have the mindset, you forget how to take an edge on your competition, and your goal is to “stay ahead.”

    Places no doubt sparked a fire under their asses, and you can bet that they are back to the “my home is my office” start up drive that got them to where they were prior to FB's announcement. I'm more excited for foursquare now than ever.

    Game on.

  • http://arnoldwaldstein.com awaldstein

    Hi Rich, great to hear from you.

    Agree…and I really believe that their opening (or one of them) is in the intersection with the coupon and Groupon defined space.

  • http://arnoldwaldstein.com awaldstein

    To add to the story, Rich Staats brought this article by Ben Parr in Mashable to my attention–”Foursquare Experiences Record Signups After Launch of Facebook Places” @ http://mashable.com/2010/08/20/foursquare-new-u…

    Foursquare CEO Crowley said that he believes Facebook and Foursquare serve two different purposes. “Facebook is about sharing experiences that you’ve had,” he said. “Foursquare is more about the present tense and the future tense.”

    Honestly, I don't think that captures it but I do believe that Foursquare has something special and the ever growing dislike for Facebook's attitude can't hurt either.

  • http://www.WeGeo.com/ Ken O'Berry

    Facebook Places would seem to eviscerate Foursquare and put Yelp on a suicide watch. But this isn't the end of location apps, far from it. If all I care about is where my friends are and serendipitous encounters, then Facebook is the only game that matters. But there are ways to leverage location that don't have anything to do with having a drink with my friends or tracking my lifestream. I think you hit on that regarding location and coupons. Many uses can't/won't be targeted by Facebook. They'll just be all that much better because those that are innovative can build on top of the Facebook Places platform. I think We Geo http://bit.ly/WeGeo will be one of those companies. There will be others.

    One company I haven't heard mentioned thusfar in the rush to judgement is SimpleGeo. Seems like it could be game over for those guys.

  • http://arnoldwaldstein.com awaldstein

    Thanks very much for the comment and the info Ken.

    I'm very interested in this space and consult to clients in pieces of it.

    Generally I agree with you…it will be an interesting couple of months to watch.

    I'll check out wegeo and simplegeo and see what I think.

    I'm also meeting with a company soon that bridges Foursquare and Groupon..a good spot to potentially be in.

    Please fee free to connect with me through one of my networks as I'd like to keep in touch.

  • http://arnoldwaldstein.com awaldstein

    Ken…

    Check out Om Malik's piece on Places and Yelp @ http://gigaom.com/2010/08/20/facebook-places-th….

    Maybe he and you are correct. Big question is of course is that even if Facebook is focusing on the local market and Yelp, whether the switching of the monster's tail won't crush the little players who are in the way.

    Thanks again for your comments.

  • http://www.24pagebooks.com MartinEdic

    Facebook is made for local. As an experiment last December I put up a Facebook Page for a friend's restaurant and basically forgot about it. When I finally checked it in January it had 265 Fans. It now has over 1000. They no longer buy any advertising. Places will only accelerate this, especially for 'community' businesses, places where people go to see or be around other people.

  • http://arnoldwaldstein.com awaldstein

    Hi Martin

    Yes…Facebook has flattened the world and made global local. No doubt about it. I'm a big fan and work with clients on their fan page and app strategies.

    I'm with you that the old way is not necessarily the right way. And agree with you that the power of community is a game changer… even though the concept of community and dynamic relationships between company and customer is age old.

    Challenges arise aplenty when companies, especially legacy companies dig down to rediscover themselves and find a way to honestly engage with their audiences.

    I think Places will be a monster…and that is targeting the local marketplace. No question and I'm excited to play with it.

    My point is that I don't necessarily think this is the end of the check in wars..I think it is only the beginning.

  • http://www.blackfridayplanet.com/ William Hushburn

    I'm an active foursquare user and i linked my check-ins to my Facebook account. If Facebook will have their own check-ins, i would still use foursquare because i think it's far different and i already got a lot of badges.

  • http://arnoldwaldstein.com awaldstein

    Hi William

    I'm with you on part of this. I'm an active Foursquare user and very dedicated to my Facebook community.

    But I've kept my check-ins off of my Facebook feed for now as (for whatever reason) they don't fit with what I want to share globally with my network. If I could share my check-ins only with those where I am, I'm all for it.

    If Places can fix that, I'll still use Foursquare but send the check-ins into my feed.

    Thanks for your comments.